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80s TV Ladies and the Return of the 90s TV Babies: Golden Girls Revisited | Episode 412

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Amy Englehardt [Singing]: 80s TV Ladies, So sexy and so pretty. 80s TV Ladies, Steppin’ out into the city. 80s TV Ladies, often treated kind of sh-[wolf whistle]. Working hard for the money in a man’s world. 80s TV Ladies!

Susan Lambert Hatem: Hello, everyone. Happy post-Valentine's and Galentine's Day. And welcome to 80s TV Ladies, where we explore the fabulous female-driven television shows of the 1980s. I'm your co-host, Susan Lambert Hatem.

Sharon Johnson: And I'm your other co-host, Sharon Johnson. Today's episode is going to be awesome. I've been so looking forward to bringing back 90s TV Babies and I can't wait to hear what they think of The Golden Girls.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I know. It has been so long since we last talked with the 90s TV Babies. And now these days we actually have five 90s TV Babies in rotation. Today we'll be talking with three of them because seven people is just too much for one podcast. So we'll be rotating our 90s TV Babies in and out in different configurations. And I am so excited for today because we have tasked the 90s TV Babies to watch the following episodes of Golden Girls. Now, if you want to pause here and then go quickly watch those episodes before coming back to listen to the episode, that's cool. Here's your assignment, should you choose to accept it. Season one, episode one, Pilot - The Engagement. Season one, episode nine, Blanche and The Younger Man.

Sharon Johnson: Season one, episode 13, A Little Romance. Season one, episode 25, The Way We Met.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Season two, episode two, Ladies of the Evening. Season two, episode 24, To Catch a Neighbor.

Sharon Johnson: Season four, episode 15, Valentine's Day. Season six, episode nine, Mrs. George Devereaux. And Season seven, episodes 25 and 26, the two final episodes of The Golden Girls, One Flew Out of the Cuckoo's Nest.

Susan Lambert Hatem: And we gave them some extra bonus episodes as well. And that list will be in our description because we could just list off episode after episode of The Golden Girls. I mean, it's fun for us, but, you know.

Sharon Johnson: So without further ado, they're happy, they're sassy, they're fabulous and funny. Yes, the incredible 90s TV Babies, fresh faced in 2026. They are Sergio Perez, Sailor Franklin and Serita Fontanesi. And a very special guest star today, little baby Theo, Theodore Fontanesi.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I'm so excited.

Sharon Johnson: It's his first appearance on the podcast. Although you won't get to hear him this time, but who knows what'll happen in the future?

Susan Lambert Hatem: I know. Oh my God. Special guest appearance. Welcome to 80s TV Ladies, 90s TV Babies, Serita, Sailor and Sergio. Oh my gosh. All right, so we haven't seen you, all of you, for a while.

Sergio Perez: Mhm.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I sure would love to know what everybody's been up to over the last six months. Gosh, Serita, let's start with you.

Serita Fontenessi: Yeah, I'll start. Over the last six months, I had a baby. He's almost six months. Theodore. He's great. He's perfect. I took five months off of work, which was amazing. So I also am just getting back to having to work for a living again. If anyone knows how to get rich, quick call in.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Well, we'll still have the Venmo in our description. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to buy Theo a cookie by buying Serita one, and then he’ll get it later.  

Serita Fontenessi: He’ll get it, he’ll get it, okay? He'll see Mom’s in a good mood. This is fun. But, yeah, that's been the last six months for me.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Tell me something amazing.

Serita Fontenessi: Sure.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Of like--

Serita Fontenessi: Listen, he's-- Okay. So my brother-in-law, his partner lives in London and for Christmas from London got him a Paddington bear. It's real cute, guys, and he's pretty obsessed with it. So that's been very wholesome and very precious. Don't worry. Else in Teddy and his, and his Paddington.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right, so is it-- Is it Teddy or Theo?

Serita Fontenessi: So, we use both.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Would they--

Serita Fontenessi: It's pretty interchangeable until he can tell us which one he likes. You know, like we're really just workshopping them all.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I love it. Okay, who's next? Sailor.

Sailor Franklin: You know, I was thinking about the last time I was on 90s TV Babies. I think, Serita, you announced that you were pregnant. So the fact that the baby is here, which-- Congratulations.

Serita Fontenessi: Thank you, thank you.

Sailor Franklin: For me, a lot of exciting stuff has been happening for me. I've continued working with Susan with productions for 134 West. We did readings of The Flirt Bar or workshopped, and then Susan just took that to Atlanta. After we did the workshop, we did Merry Queerness.  I've already forgotten the title of our variety show, but it was really fun. I got to perform.

Susan Lambert Hatem: It was Merry Queerness, A Wildly Inappropriate Holiday Show. And they did an amazing job. What? What?

Sergio Perez: Oh, my goodness.

Serita Fontenessi: Someone woke up from his nap and said, I would like to be included.

Sharon Johnson: Look at that face. Look at those cheeks.

Serita Fontenessi: Hi, baby.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Hey, baby. Hi.

Serita Fontenessi: Immediately. Yep, that shirt was clean. It's fine. You can have it.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah. Hey, baby. Hi. You're so beautiful. I can't stand it. Oh my God. I'm gonna cry.

Serita Fontenessi: Listen, I did it.  

Susan Lambert Hatem: Look at your beautiful face and your eyes. Oh, my God. Yes. You're so beautiful. Oh, my God.

Serita Fontenessi: I think she's like, yeah, see?

Susan Lambert Hatem: I can get anything you want out of them right now.

Serita Fontenessi: It looks like he's getting dimples. Like we've been noticing little dimples coming in and it's like, whoa, this is dangerous.

Sergio Perez: Yeah, it's over.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Oh, my goodness.

Serita Fontenessi: So we'll have a little friend talking about Golden Girls.

Sergio Perez: Yay. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to get so distracted.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Well, I think this is it now. Anybody, if we just play this, it's just us staring.

Sergio Perez: Yeah.

Serita Fontenessi: The whole episode.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Teddy, Theodore.

Sailor Franklin: It's just, here's a baby.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Here’s a baby. And he's adorable and he's wide-eyed and big-cheeked and just good to. That's exactly it.

Serita Fontenessi: Yeah. This is why he loves space time. He's like, this is fun.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Everybody just goes gaga over me. Yeah. Ah, and a foot. Okay, Sailor, Sailor, back to you.

Sailor Franklin: Does this sound better?

Kevin Ducey: Yeah. Yeah, it does seem like getting close to it helps.

Sailor Franklin: Let me, like, let me get real podcast about it. I'll just like, sink down in my chair.

Kevin Ducey: Yeah, it's strange. Sorry about that. I don't know what's causing it.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I bet you Theo can solve it by getting that sock off of his foot. And he's able to do that.

Serita Fontenessi: That's the other big Theo update is we can now get our foot in our mouth. And that's pretty exciting.

Sailor Franklin: No. He's like, watch this party tray.

Sergio Perez: Oh, my goodness. Give him a headset and a mic.

Serita Fontenessi: Get this baby on the mic.

Sergio Perez: Yeah.

Susan Lambert Hatem: He's like, I found a foot. It's got a sock on it. And within a week, I'm going to be able to pull that sock off anytime I want.

Serita Fontenessi: I know. My grandma's going to be really upset when she finds out this baby does not keep socks on.

Sharon Johnson: Did he pull the other one off himself?

Serita Fontenessi: Almost. And I said, you know what? We're just gonna before. Because the thing is, the dogs also are like, yeah, pull that sock off. Yeah. So that mom forgets about it.

Sharon Johnson: Oh, my gosh. You are outnumbered, aren't you?

Serita Fontenessi: I am. I am. Truly.

Sharon Johnson: Oh, my gosh.  

Susan Lambert Hatem: But they're also cute. They're going to kill you.

Susan Lambert Hatem: That's how they get you.

Sergio Perez: Yeah, they're going.

Susan Lambert Hatem: They're going to kill you. They're going to win every time.

Serita Fontenessi: Every time. I've got no leverage in my own home.

Susan Lambert Hatem: No. Oh, my God. Okay. All right. No. No sailing. Okay to that. Yeah. Microphone and tell us what your. What your song was.

Sailor Franklin: So I love Christmas music. But my favorite by far is Wham's Last Christmas. I listen to it on repeat every single Christmas. But usually when we do these productions, I serve as stage manager. And so I kind of combined it all into one weird role where I'm trying to both stage manage, you know, Liza Minnelli's party and make sure it all goes perfect while also having my heart broken because I'm in love with Liza Minnelli and she, frankly, is not in love with me. And I get to be George Michael for two minutes. It was great. Fulfilled my heart. And I can't wait to see the recording of it because it was. It was so much fun.

Susan Lambert Hatem: It was really great. You did a wonderful job and we. And you had great backup singers, which—

Sailor Franklin: I did.  

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah, it was good.

Sailor Franklin: Jimmy and Ekaterina, shout out to them. But in personal life also, the funny thing is that, you know, Serita announced she was pregnant on the last 90s TV Babies I was on. And I was just moving on the last 90s TV Babies I was on. And guess what's happening again. I just signed a lease yesterday for my very own apartment where I'll be living by myself for the first time in my entire life. And it’s a little apartment, but it will be mine, and I'm so happy.  

Sharon Johnson: Good for you.  

Sailor Franklin: Thank you.

Serita Fontanesi: Congratulations.

Sergio Perez: Where are you moving to?

Sailor Franklin: South Pasadena. So just, it's like, like 10 minutes away from where I am right now. But it's such a nice little spot. It's close to Mission Street. I'm very excited. And the other thing is I've worked for a nonprofit, like a-- That does, you know, after-school programming at no cost to parents for a while. But I just got a big promotion to the Visual and Performing Arts Associte, which is now facilitating me getting that new apartment. So-- I'm real excited.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Sergio.

Sergio Perez: Hi. Oh, my goodness. I feel like it's been so long since I've recorded one of these. And I just. While we were working out audio, I checked. The last episode of 90s TV Babies that I did was for A Different World, which was like, four shows ago.  

Sharon Johnson: Oh, my gosh.  

Sergio Perez: Yeah, yeah, that was a while back. And so I was like, oh, my gosh. I've not had to do a little 90s TV Babies in a while. So, hello. I'm back reintroducing myself to folks who might have started tuning in after A Different World. Yeah, I'm so excited to be here. I was really excited to talk about The Golden Girls, but I'll get into that later. The last six months, I mean, I had my first ever adult like summer to myself where I'd not had Occidental Children's Theater. And it was very, in a word, liberating. I got to experience a lot of things in, like, during the summer of just being able to do something without going, oh, but I have to be at rehearsal tomorrow at 8:00am. Oh, no, I can't go out with my friends or else I'm gonna throw up during the show tomorrow or something. And so it was really just so crazy to me. Like, everything. I was like, oh, my gosh, there's a whole world out there. And Koji and I are now. We've spent one year in our new apartment as of August. But, like, it's been a long time since we've caught up. But, yeah, since August, it was one year. And, yeah, I mean, I'm just, I'm running around. I'm trying to figure out who I am right now. And after, like, the, like, I've moved on from children's theater. I'm like, okay, all these doors are open, and I'm gonna try every single one of them. So just been doing some crazy stuff. Been traveling a lot. I was up in-- I don't know. Have y' all ever been to the dunes in San Miguel? Or, like, not San Miguel, but, like, in, like, Pismo?

Serita Fontenessi: Yes.

Sailor Franklin: You got me real excited because I'm like, my hometown in Indiana is, like-- Like, ten minutes away from the Dune State Park. And I was about to be like, oh, my God, you went to the Midwest?

Sergio Perez: No. Oh, my goodness. I'm going places where my car can take me. And while my car can take me to the Midwest. Yeah, it's just been a lot of traveling. So Koji and I, we recently were visiting a friend up in San Miguel, and then afterwards, we came back down, went to the dunes in Pismo beach, and it's really, really crazy out there. Like, I could not believe that that was out there. And it's funny, because one of my friends, he brought a drone and just, like, took videos of us hiking these dunes. And then at the very end of the trip, we get a text, and it's a video of all of us set to the music from Dune. So it's that person screaming. I don't. Yeah, I've never seen Dune, actually. So sorry, everybody who loves Dune. But it was just-- Just those kinds of things. Yeah. Hanging out. Ooh, the sock is off.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I was gonna say I think--

Sailor Franklin: He’s so distracting. He’s so cute.  

Sergio Perez: Yeah.  

Serita Fontanesi: He was like, in my update. I got the sock off.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I got the sock off. Reward. Reward. My toe. Yeah.

Serita Fontenessi: Oh, my God. Watching your baby suck his own toe. Wild.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right, now we know that he will upstage everybody. Yeah, everybody.

Serita Fontenessi: I-- Listen. I didn't think that it was possible to be, like, to be upstaged. I—Listen, I've got a pretty big personality. And then I had-- He's also a Leo, so I had a me. And here we are.

Serita Fontenessi: For those who wonder, he is a Leo sun, Scorpio moon, Scorpio rising.

Sergio Perez: Oh, no, he's trouble.  

Serita Fontenessi: I know  

Sergio Perez: He's trouble.

Serita Fontenessi: I said yikes on a bike.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right, and what does that mean for those who don't know?

Serita Fontenessi: For those that don't know? So, like, Leo sun, he's, as we see, he's a personality. Very gregarious. Scorpio moon, he's got, like, a lot of deep feelings. So pretty intense  RBF already. And Scorpio rising. When he can speak, he's gonna be one of those kids who walks up to you and just has really blunt questions and no concept of why you wouldn't want to talk about that in public. You know? And he's gonna be like, is that weird?

Susan Lambert Hatem: What are you talking about?  

Serita Fontenessi: Yeah.  

Susan Lambert Hatem: And then you'll answer back, listen, a bunch of people saw you take a sock off. Yeah. When you were six months old.

Sergio Perez: The onesie. Oh, my goodness.

Serita Fontenessi: Yeah, we're in our thermals because it's cold.

Sharon Johnson: He's checking out this standing-up thing. Look at him.

Serita Fontenessi: I know. He's very into it, which is concerning. I'm gonna need you to slow down. Okay? I'm working on. I'm talking to the sharks and asking them for money to get you to stop growing.

Sergio Perez: Oh, my goodness.

Serita Fontenessi: And we're teething.

Susan Lambert Hatem: And we're teething. Yeah.

Sailor Franklin: He's not even content with his own foot in his mouth. Now he's putting your finger in his mouth.

Serita Fontenessi: Oh, yeah, I-- Listen, I'm a notorious. Like, I've been getting my nails done for decades at this point, and I usually have very long claws until I had a baby. And now we're a short, square girly until someone stops putting my fingers in his mouth.

Sergio Perez: By the looks of it, that's not stopping anytime soon.

Serita Fontenessi: No, no.

Sailor Franklin: Really going at it.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Oh, man. Good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. Okay, well. Okay, we have to move on. I'm sorry, Teddy-Theo, you are going to have to stop distracting us quite so much. Or I'll just do this like I do on The Pitt. Like-- Well, I can't watch. Except now I'm. I can't watch. The cuteness. No, keep the cuteness from me. Oh, come on.

Sergio Perez: Oh, my goodness.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right, we got it. We go back to Golden Girls. Back to Golden Girls. All right.

Sergio Perez: I wanted to talk about The Pitt. No, I'm kidding.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Oh. We could talk about The Pitt another time.

Sergio Perez: We'll chat. We'll chat.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right. Your assignment. Before we start talking about the show itself, we, as always, are curious. Who knew about this show before we started to talk about it or ask you to watch it and what did you know? And, and I think. I think I know answers to. To Serita, because we spent a lot of time together way back when. All right, and, so wants to go first?

Sharon Johnson: I have a feeling everybody has, has a history with The Golden Girls. Am I correct?

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right. Sailor’s unmuted. Go, Sailor. Yeah.

Sailor Franklin: I think—I think we all have. Like, I've. I've seen The Golden Girls. Like, it's such a cultural touchstone for even people of my generation. Like, I will admit, I don't think I started watching it until I was, like, in my 20s, and now I am. I've just turned 26, so, like, you know, not too long ago, but, like, it's such a comfort show for me. I just love watching these girls get up to whatever crazy stuff they are getting up to now. I think before I was tasked with our episodes, I had. I hadn't watched all of Golden Girls. I watched, I think I watched up to the fourth season, and I was working through the fourth season. So, like, I'd seen a good chunk of it, and, like, I love it. I, like, show it to my friends. I. I love. You know what? I'm going to save that because I have a personality test for everybody, because I feel like everybody has a favorite Golden Girl, and it says a lot about you. So we could do that now. I want to know what everyone's favorite Golden Girl is.

Sharon Johnson: You want to know now?

Susan Lambert Hatem: No, no, let's get to that. Let's come back around to that.

Sailor Franklin: We'll save that for later. That's a big personality test.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right. Sergio, I would like to know what you knew of this show before we started.

Sergio Perez: Hey. Okay, so, working for the podcast aside and having to pour over the photos of The Golden Girls to make all these different magazine things, I know every crease and wrinkle on everyone's face at this point. I am going to be 100% honest. I had never seen The Golden Girls, never sat down and watched it before I had to record this episode. So I went in-- Like, I, I knew who was in it. I. I was like, just like, you know, it was something that was always around, but never something that I tuned into. So I, I'm so sorry, everybody. I'm the one person in this call right now--

Susan Lambert Hatem: I love it. I love it.

Sharon Johnson: No, it's great. Yeah, this is good. This is very good.

Sergio Perez: Like, obviously the, like, the, the theme song is so iconic, and I'd heard that before. I did a play reading once where they sang it and I had to learn it and I was like, oh, I. I don't know this. And it was like, crazy. But yeah, like, I went in this time around completely blind. Like, I knew who was in it and I knew the theme song, but I didn't know what they were doing, who they were, where they were going. So I'm excited to share what I thought.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Okay. I love that. And Serita and Teddy.

Serita Fontenessi: Yeah, thank you. I obviously had known all kinds of things about The Golden Girls. Like, it's one of those shows that is, like, a pretty consistent rewatch. Would you like this? Oh, you want me to be-- That's my bad. I should have known that-- Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, I'm obsessed with The Golden Girls and I feel like I was watching in, like, high speed. Like, because it was like, syndicated, like, you know, it was a rerun. Would you like this? There we go. He said, I want to be tall. But, yeah, I mean, huge fan. I will save my, like, favorite Golden Girl for when it’s time.

Susan Lambert Hatem: What? Okay, now, did, did, did Teddy watch any shows with you?

Serita Fontenessi: He did not. We are, we are trying no screens other than FaceTime for the first two years. We're gonna see. We're gonna see.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah. See how far you could get. I think that's very smart. It's very good.

Serita Fontenessi: Thank you.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Very good. I'm very proud of you.

Sharon Johnson: A friend of mine did that. I think, I think it may have been longer than that before she introduced screens to her daughter. So it's not easy, obviously, because they're so everywhere. But yeah, good on you. That's great.

Susan Lambert Hatem: This is going to be the most distracted 80s TV Ladies, 90s TV Babies episode, because come on. All right, we may have to release this video just so people can, can catch-- Well, I don't know if you want-- If you don't-- You may not want him out there. Sailor, why don't you start? Tell us all about your thoughts on The Golden Girls.

Sailor Franklin: Oh, boy. Encompassing all of my thoughts on The Golden Girls is such, such a big ask.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Well, it doesn't have to be all of them. What did you think of the show from both an 80s perspective and from now?

Sailor Franklin: I think the big thing about The Golden Girls is like, of course it is a show of the 80s. But even as a person watching from the big year of 2026, I am still so shocked by what topics they took on. Especially, like, we're talking first and second seasons. We're doing, like, hard hitting episodes about being gay, about, you know, who your partner might be, about, you know, age gaps, about the episode where Blanche is offered, like, a better grade if she sleeps with her teacher. The amount of these episodes, like, are, are so many that I can't even think of all of them. So just as a person in today's, today's age, I'm still shocked by what they covered and how well they took it on. I won't say all of them are like, you know, hit it out of the ballpark fantastic at handling some of these topics. Like, there's, there's times when, like, Sophia will walk into the room and like, like-- For example, I think it's A Little Romance when there's a little person that Rose is saying, like, he walks or Sophia walks into the room and sees Dr. What's his name? Oh, God, Sophia, please don't say a bad thing. Like, I know you're going to make light of the situation, but please don't say like, you know, a slur or like, something horrible that's not going to go over well. But that episode, like, watching it again, I forgot how funny it is because, like, she walks into the room and she's like, forgive me for what I'm about to say. I'm very tired. I'm gonna go lay down. He's like, oh, that's completely fine. And she means like, Dorothy, please come see me. Is that. Is that guy? And, you know, she says not the most amazing word and she's-- And Dorothy confirms, like, yeah, that's, you know, he's a little person. She goes, thank God. I thought I had another stroke. And it's like they take these topics and they somehow weave humor into it really well. I totally forgot the ending of that episode, which is Rose, like, decides, like, yeah, I'm going to marry him and it's going to be fine. And he lets her down easy because she's not Jewish, and that's why they can't be together. Like, how it's so funny. Like, I feel like as, as a 26-year-old in the year 2026, like, I've got a completely different sense of humor than what was, you know, back in the 1980s. And I am still laughing my ass off at some of these jokes. It's so funny.

Sharon Johnson: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that's one of the reasons I think that it has lasted is that there's a universality to a lot of the humor that will work-- That worked then, that works now and probably will continue to work for years to come because it's so grounded in their, their humanness.

Serita Fontenessi: The episode with Blanche and George is one of my favorite episodes because it is such a perfect example of, like, how much the show is able to hold in, like, one container. Because while Blanche is having this full, like, emotional, like, deep experience, Dorothy's being courted by Sonny Bono.

Sailor Franklin: That was also one of my favorite episodes.

Serita Fontenessi: Just like magic in that, like, there is this, like, hilarious, like, campy, like, technically side story. Because, like, Blanche is supposed to be the focus of the episode and, like, that just, like, every moment about it, like, I'm cackling. And then in the same episode, under the same roof, Blanche is having this, like, incredibly, like, deep, moving, like, experience that we-- Sorry. Spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen it. At the end, we discover was all a dream. Yeah. Sergio, we discover, was all a dream. Which also, like, I mean, short, classic TV trope of, like, how do you, like, insert a plot that you don't want to, like, carry on? But still, it was just like, oh, my God. And she's still dreaming these big, vivid dreams of her, like, dead husband and maybe just something will happen that will bring him back. And. And also Dorothy's being courted by these two famous men who are, like, obsessed with her and demand that she make a choice. All because she saw them at Equus and they were charmed by her. Which also, wild play to pick as, like, of all the shows they could have picked to be the one that she met them at. And, also, Golden Girls is-- I was actually talking to a friend about this earlier. Is another great example of why we need to bring back 24-episode seasons. I am sick of these short, 10 episode. Like, Matlock, yuck. I want episodes that are all backstory and just. You're just gonna give me all of the exposition in one episode. Like when we see the episode of how the girls actually all came together or the Valentine's Day episode, it's just all going to be flashbacks because they're still fun and add to the color of the characters. But sure, they're not the most plot driven, whatever, but they're fun and they're a good time. And we get random side Sophia talking about Bloody Valentine. Like, you know, like, we get just these little snippets in there. And then we also still get these really full, rich episodes about their lives and who they are. Like, the last two episodes that we watched, the One Flew Out of the Cuckoo's Nest, right? Like, that's like. Those two episodes are, like, very plot heavy and, like, are in the same universe of that same person, Dorothy, was being chased down by two silly famous men. Or they had backstage passes to see Mr. Burt Reynolds. And I love this show.

Sailor Franklin: I would also do horrible things to meet Burt Reynolds. Like, I relate.

Serita Fontenessi: I, like, that episode reminds me of, like, there really are like, these quintessential, like, figures of every generation of, like, the it person. And like Burt Reynolds. Like there's so many jokes about him on shows of people being obsessed with him that it, like, he like, really is like, top tier. And that whole episode is so funny.

Sailor Franklin: Another episode where they all end up in jail.  

Serita Fontenessi: Yes.  

Sailor Franklin: That trope still comes back. But I digress.

Sergio Perez: Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah,  

Susan Lambert Hatem: Sergio. Yeah.

Sergio Perez: Yeah, I think. Because like I said, I've never seen an episode before, but watching it, even the abridged version of The Golden Girls, the homework that you gave us, it's like you really see just how foundational this show is. I think that compared to shows that we've watched in the past, there were many moments in this one where I'm like, okay, I see now how much The Golden Girls has inspired creators today. Like, people who've made different sitcoms ever since then. Like, they're all very, very inspired by this. And like, the dynamics that are like that you see between all of The Golden Girls. And I just. I had so much fun. It's, it's crazy because I was-- So while I was watching, Koji was-- He does volleyball on Sundays. So he was off in volleyball. He comes back, and he had seen The Golden Girls. Actually, he grew up. He watched The Golden Girls. He's watched all of Reba. But that's like, whatever. We're not going to talk about Reba right now.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Okay, hold on. We might have to circle back just personally about the Reba, but go ahead.

Sergio Perez: But he comes back and he's like, so, how did you like it? And I was like, oh, my goodness. I could barely keep up. It was crazy because it's joke after joke after joke after joke, and it's never something that feels, at least to me. Oh, well, I won't say never. There were moments where I'm like, okay, this did come out in the 80s, but it always felt smart, and it always felt like it knew that the audience wasn't dumb and that they didn't have to spell out the joke for you. Like they have to do now, where it's like, oh, you have to know that the musical sting is mysterious so that you know that this is mysterious. And, like, every character's gonna come in and say exactly what they're thinking and feeling. And there's, like, more. There's a different kind of honesty in The Golden Girl set. It's just, like, so exciting to me. It's crazy.

Serita Fontenessi: There's a line that Dorothy says that is one of my, like, favorite lines in TV. And it's-- They're dealing with teen pregnancy in the episode, and, like, one of the, like, neighbor girls finds out she's pregnant. She doesn't know what to do. She's, like, running away from home. And Dorothy is letting her know that she has options, that, you know, she can have the baby. She can not have the baby, which already is, like, pretty bold for, for a TV show to be discussing. But Dorothy says, you know, just because the, the pipes are in the house doesn't mean they're ready for use. I've been watching too much of This Old House.

Serita Fontenessi: And-- Like, it's so-- Like, to your point, Sergio, of, like, it's such, like, it could be such a throwaway line, but, like, so beautifully encapsulates this moment of, like, acknowledging that she's talking to ultimately a child who now finds herself pregnant, doesn't feel safe, like, with that news at home, and just needs to hear that, like, whatever her choice is, is her choice. But she does have choices. which, again, in the 80s and on TV is like, pretty bold. Which is probably why it's cushioned in a joke about This Old House. But it is true. It is such a beautiful line and cracks me up every time.

Sergio Perez: If we're sharing standout lines, I think for me, one of the ones that pinged my ear in a funny way was when during Mrs. George Devereaux, where Dorothy gets back in the bed and is like, oh, my gosh, Blanche just had her dream. And everyone comes in and Sophia's like, I should have known. I sent her to tennis camp that one time. I was like, oh, my gosh, is that a Billie Jean King joke?

Serita Fontenessi: I am gonna have to feed a little baby soon. So just, just to make sure I will say--

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Serita Fontenessi: I definitely obviously love Golden Girls. And I would say even both for its time and still today ahead of the game. I mean, just a show centered around for older women. What? Women and older women. And it's not just about like, being old, like, and, Sailor, Blanche is, like, I love them all deeply and it's tough. But Blanche is really my girl because I just, I love that she like, gets to just be this little, like, slut, like empowered slut, you know, And we love that. And we love that that's coming from someone who is of an age that often people decide no longer can have any sense of sex or self or, or anything like that. And yeah, I am just obsessed with the show. And the reason why it's one of my kind of like, go-to comfort shows is other than just it being funny is that it still feels current and like, still feels really relevant in a way that-- Again, bring back 24 episodes because, like, I think that's hard to do in a short 10-episode season to like, feel timeless in some ways. And I think there's, there's a beauty to Golden Girls and there's a beauty to like, really enjoying aging, especially as women. That again, like, we have, we have Grace-- I always want to say Gracie and Frank, Grace and Frankie. But, like, right? Like, I can think of one show that centers older women and of current times. And listen, if I don't. I don't support reboots very often, but if we wanted to just update Golden Girls a little bit and get her back on the air, sign me up.

Sharon Johnson: Ooh, dare I mention that the women in And Just Like That, the reboot of Sex and the City, they're basically the same age as the ladies in The Golden Girls.

Serita Fontenessi: And our. And the issue is that And Just Like That tries to be Sex and the City, like, just tries to continue Sex and the City instead of allowing the women to age. And Golden Girls let them age but still have a full life. And that is the difference. And that is the hill I will die on.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Okay, so says Serita.

Serita Fontenessi: Yes. I'm gonna go feed my infant. I can hear him.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yes.

Serita Fontenessi: We can do another Zoom soon. I will bring him back.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Okay.

Serita Fontenessi: Love you all.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Love you.

Sharon Johnson: Good to see you both.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Sergio, what was surprising?

Sergio Perez: I think surprising. Some things that were surprising. These are surprising things that I liked. What. What was cool-- And Serita touched on it a little bit, but I think that it was really cool that these were older women who could talk about their sex lives. But the joke about them talking about their sex lives was never they're old and having sex. It was always something else and something more subversive than that. Surprising to me. Maybe it's just because I'm like, again, like, 20, 26. We're coming at it here. And, like, I grew up watching other shows, but it was like, oh, we're gonna have this little conversation now, something like grief and loss. And I. I honestly, like, of all the episodes that you shared with us, I think that for me, my favorite one-- Ny favorite two were the pilot and Mrs. George Devereaux. Because it really is, like, okay. Rue McClanahan in both, gets to do a lot of dramatic acting that you don't expect from a sitcom. The first one, like, it. It's not even, like, the shot is focused on her, but you can see her just reacting to being spurned in the pilot, and it's like, oh, my gosh, she is fantastic. And, like, it reminds me, too, that sitcoms are kind of filmed like theater. And, like, that just is always, like, so exciting to me, just watching people who are in this industry and, like, acting doing their jobs, like, really, really well. And then, like, I said, like, for Mrs. George Devereaux. I wasn't expecting it to end that way because, like, maybe it's just because we're dropping in at a time in the season where I'm like, yeah, maybe Dorothy is being courted by those two guys at this point in the season. Like, they've been here before. And so I'm watching it again as someone who's never seen it, and I'm like, yeah, this makes so much sense to me that she would be, like, talking to these two guys. Oh, right, he's the mayor of Palm Springs right now. Like, it's just like, yeah, I didn't have the context of maybe this was a joke until the very end when like when Blanche wakes up and just delivers perhaps one of the most heartbreaking moments, I think, of television. I don't know, I'm, I've just seen it today, but I was like, oh, my gosh. I was really affected by that because it's something that's played off a lot of the time as funny. Like, oh, she's got a dead husband. Like, oh, but now she's the slut. Like, you know, she's going around sleeping around. But, like, when she says, like, oh, like, but this time, like, I got to hug him. And this time, like, you chose Sonny. And it's like, it's, it's the one, two punch of, like, here's something dramatic, but, like, the, what do we call it? You hit ‘em and you hug ‘em or something. It's one of those where I was just, like, really, really, really affected by that. And, yeah, I, I, I don't know if it's apparent. I really liked it. I really, really liked it. I see why it has stood the test of time and is, like, still to this day, getting adaptations, getting stage shows, everything. Like, I loved it.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah, it's a lot of lightning in a bottle magic of those characters and that tone that was both really, really funny, sharp witted and also incredibly warm. Sailor, looking back at it, sort of like you were familiar with it, but when, you know, when you kind of rewatched, what was there something that surprised you on this rewatch or something that stood out for you?

Sailor Franklin: I mean, I think the big thing that I took away from it was once again, these kind of topical issues that came up within it, mostly because that's a lot of what was either on the assignment or the extra credit. Like I said, it really just, it does such a great job at touching these-- I'm going to cheat a little bit and go outside of what the assignment was and reference some episodes that, like, personally, I love. One of which was, I think it's the first episode of season three where Sophia befriends a man who has Alzheimer. Alzheimer's. And I haven't seen that episode in forever, but I do remember it being one of my favorites because of how beautiful this story was still to this day. Like I said, I haven't seen it forever, but I can still recall how much I loved it. And the other one was I think I watched it because I think you guys mentioned it, which was the episode where Sophia's son Phil dies. And, like, it's filled with a bunch of jokes. Like, you know, he's been cross dressing all his life. And, oh, the mourners here, they're also men in dresses underneath veils. And yet it ends with such, like, a heart-wrenching moment of Dorothy's eulogy to him, which is like, we should never let us as family, we should never grow so far apart. And I wish I could say all this stuff to him. And then the final moment of that episode, which is the only Golden Girl episode I can think of that didn't end with a zinger, is Sofia just breaking down and being like, what did I do? What happened to have him turn out this way? And just ending it with like, my baby is gone. Like, that's-- God, does that just hit something deep within you. And it's like, I came here to laugh and like, there's lots of laughs in that episode. Like the fact they bury him in a teddy. And everyone keeps commenting like, it's a very nice teddy. Like, it's a very. It's a very tasteful one. Like Serita said, the Mrs. George Devereaux episode, I need to say it. My favorite part of that episode is when Dorothy asks, like, who did I end up this time? And she's like, oh, it was Sonny Bono. And she goes, yes! That was my favorite part. It was so, like, it's such a dramatic episode. My favorite part is watching those two men fight over Dorothy. I'll say it now. Dorothy is my favorite Golden Girl. I love her to death. As a person who is not very effeminate and is a big fan of wisecracks and, you know, having a hardened exterior. She's my girl. I love her to death. She's my role model, truly.

Sharon Johnson: She's my favorite, too, for what it's worth. But getting back to the-- I'm so glad you guys respond. I really love the George Devereux episode as much as I do. I probably saw it when it aired originally, but I. And so I felt like I was watching it the first time around this time, and I did not see it coming. And it's such an example of how good the writing is on the show. The way that they're able to balance both of those storylines and both of those endings and make it fit together so perfectly somehow, some way, with the magic of whatever magic or pixie dust they sprinkled on it, it just. It worked. And it works so well.

Sailor Franklin: Sergio, do-- What character?

Sergio Perez: Oh, I think just based off of the episodes that I watched, I'm somebody who really likes. I wouldn't say, like, throwaway jokes. I like. I don't know. Is this surprising at all? I think my favorite is Rose, I think, because she's just like, one. Like, the St. Olaf stories are crazy. Losing Butter Girl was devastating. But also, it's just comedically played so well. Like When We All Met, like, when she's like, oh, I've got a room. And it's got Blanche Devereaux on the, like, called Blanche Devereaux. And she's like, oh, that's cool. Yeah. Let's show you the room. Oh, and what's your name again? It's just, like. It's so funny. I think it takes such a smart performer to play dumb. And it's literally just a master class in that. Yeah. I think I'm a Rose.

Susan Lambert Hatem: You're a Rose. I love that.

Sergio Perez: I think I'm a Rose.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I think you're a Rose, too. You have a lot of optimism in you, and I think Rose does, too.

Sergio Perez: Yeah. That's another thing. She's really, like, the heart.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah, she's the heart.

Sergio Perez: Yeah.

Susan Lambert Hatem: So now I'm curious if you knew of these actresses, particularly Betty White, since Betty White kind of worked in, until she died.

Sharon Johnson: Yeah.

Susan Lambert Hatem: What you knew of them and how that affects how you think of their character in the show.  

Sergio Perez: Okay. Actually, I was. This is something I was thinking of as I was watching where, again, just because, like, I've been, like, I have to listen. I listen to every 80s TV Ladies episode. And, like, so I know, like, stuff that was happening behind the scenes and other things, and, like, watching it, you can tell maybe, like, from episode one to literally the finale, Sophia's character is a little more diminished. Her performance is a little smaller, and as we know now, it was because Estelle Getty was having memory issues on set. And that was something that I was thinking about as I was watching it. I was also thinking about, like, the personal relationships between the cast. If I'm remembering correctly, it was Betty White and Bea Arthur who were not friends.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yes. And it was mostly Bea Arthur not appreciating Betty White's style, I think.  

Sergio Perez: Okay. Yeah. And maybe it's just because that's something I was, like, thinking about. I don't know if it necessarily bled into the performance of things. Like, I think they were being very professional. And, yeah, I think the one that most stood out to me was Estelle Getty's. Just the change in, like, what her character, like, the function of her character in the finale versus in the pilot. That was something that made me feel a little emotional just because it's like, wow, that's. She did seven seasons. I did know of Betty White. Of all of them, I knew Betty White the most. And, yeah, I can't say that I had seen either or any of the other three in anything else until I watched The Golden Girls.

Sailor Franklin: I know what you mean of like, oh, that's Betty White. Because I had never seen Betty White in anything. I just am like, oh, that's Betty White. That's, you know, the really old lady who's been in everything and she's still spry and she's like, ready to take on life. I remember she had, like, a very brief show that was just like a prank show where old people would play pranks on people. It was called Betty White something or whatever.

Sharon Johnson: Oh, right. Yes.  

Sailor Franklin: I remember that.

Sergio Perez: I'm remembering her now from The Proposal, the rom-com with Ryan Reynolds.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yes.

Sergio Perez: And Sandra Bullock, where she plays his grandmother. Yes, that's what I'm remembering. Like, that was probably my first ever, like, sit down and watch something that has Betty White in it because my older siblings loved The Proposal, so they put it on all the time. And I just remember the scene where she and Sandra Bullock are in the forest doing the dance.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yes.

Sergio Perez: And say what you will, it is quite offensive.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yes.

Sergio Perez: But Betty White is just a comedic genius.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah. I would encourage you to go look at The Mary Tyler Moore Show. It's from, you know and when Betty White-- Betty White comes in, she's not in the-- She comes in later into the show. But seeing her do the performance she does in Mary Tyler Moore and seeing her do Rose, if you've heard any of the episodes, you know that at one point they were hiring Rue McClanahan to play Rose, and they were thinking. And Betty White to play Blanche. And that will explain why, both why they thought of that at first, seeing her character in Mary Tyler Moore, but also why neither of them wanted to do that and why it was much better to have her go play Rose.

Sailor Franklin: Here's something I want to touch on. I hate Stanley. He's a yutz. He's a yutz. They say it themselves. I hate it. And I can't. As Dorothy being my favorite Golden Girl, it kills me that I'm like, why did you marry that man? And it goes back to, like, me being so thankful that women have a lot more agency and we're not forced to, like, settle down and do everything so quickly. Because if a beautiful, strong, gorgeous woman like Dorothy has to settle for a man like Stanley, it makes me-- Which I'll bring it back to this. I had never seen the final two episodes, so I was really surprised when I saw the ending. I'm, like, it was a very good episode. It was very touching. I. I don't know. I didn't enjoy the ending as much as I thought I would. I think it's just because-- Maybe it's because they got married so quickly. Like, I didn't. I wish this was. I know it was a two-parter episode, but still, like—

Susan Lambert Hatem: It felt like—

Sailor Franklin: It felt too quick and like the whole joke was like, oh, let's pretend to get married, but actually I'm crazy about you. And I'm like, when did this happen? They went to a hardware convention and Dorothy had a horrible time and now they're kissing. I don't know. Like, I'm not saying I hate the concept. I'm just saying it could have used a little bit more, you know, a little more zhuzhing. I want to see them fall in love. I love a slow burn. It's so good. I loved Moonlighting. Of course I love a slow burn.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right, so final thoughts for us. And I would say, weirdly, after-- After you talk about how much she disappeared in the show, I'm kind of a Sophia.

Sailor Franklin: But I think they aren't fully-- Like, how many Rose's dumb jokes, Blanche is a slut jokes, and Dorothea is manly jokes have they done? Over seven seasons and still season seven, I am laughing at these jokes. Like, they're pretty. The writers are pretty masterful at keeping these bits going.

Susan Lambert Hatem: It's pretty great. It's, it's, it's so exciting. It's really fun that you guys enjoyed it. And I'm so excited, Sergio, that despite working on it for months--

Sergio Perez: I knew nothing.

Susan Lambert Hatem: You did not know anything about it.

Sergio Perez: I knew nothing. I knew nothing. And it was like, okay. It was funny because I'd hear quotes and I'd be like, oh, my God, Wait, I know that quote because I've used it in something. It's weird. And then I hear the delivery of it. I'm like, oh, my gosh. That's not how I was reading it at all. And now it's even better. To me, the ending felt very stilted. Like, I know, like, there was a joke of Dorothy coming back, and, like, I loved it, and I actually wanted her to come back one more time. And then I also loved-- Just going back to Rose really quickly. I love the way Betty White played it where everyone's looking around and she does, like, this very slight glance and, like, another door, and then, like, audience laughs. But then after, like, the realization hits that she's not coming back that time, the girls just turn in and their faces drop, and then it's credits. And I was like, what? That feels wrong for this show. I felt like there should have been just, like, one more thing. And, like, obviously, I'm not, like, saying anything about the writing or, like, how the writers chose to end their show, but it was really surprising to me. It felt very, like, oh, wow. Yeah, it's over. And it just ended in such a way where I'm, like, really surprised by it.

Susan Lambert Hatem: It felt a little deflated.

Sergio Perez: Yeah.

Sailor Franklin: I was waiting for the button.

Sergio Perez: Absolutely.

Sailor Franklin: Where's the last little joke that leaves us happy at the end?

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah.

Sergio Perez: Yeah. Everyone had a great time at The Golden Palace.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah.

Sergio Perez: I think what's troublesome is that when The Golden Girls was airing, it's like everyone was kind of watching the same stuff. You knew that we were all going to sit down at this time to watch this show and take away a certain lesson from it. And obviously, ever since The Golden Girls came out, there's been a lot that's happened in the world that you can do updated storylines with and, like, create scripts with different lessons to learn at the very end. But I think the value of The Golden Girls was that everyone was watching it, and you could trust that that was happening. And these days, now, it's like, well, if it's on Tubi and Fubu and ‘Boo Boo,’ and you gotta find it on ‘PB’, like,  

Sailor Franklin: You gotta watch it on ‘Plorb.’  

Sergio Perez: Yeah, you gotta go to ‘Plorb.’ And when you're on ‘Plorb,’ just make sure you get the ‘Pooboo’ track. Like, and you gotta get on this. Like, it's so inaccessible now, and no one's watching the same things. There's no monoculture around media that I feel like it would be just such a disservice to what the show could be. That said, I am already, like, fan casting it in my mind of, like, who could do it? And I want Amy Poehler there. But anyway.

Sharon Johnson: Yeah, that's a good. Well, anybody else that's kind of in the back of your mind that you would like to see? Yeah. On the reboot, if you're going to cast it?

Sailor Franklin: Toni Collette.

Sergio Perez: Toni Collette would be hilarious.

Sharon Johnson: As which character?  

Sailor Franklin: Dorothy.  

Sharon Johnson: And Amy Poehler.

Sailor Franklin: Amy Poehler would be Rose.

Sergio Perez: Amy Poehler would definitely be-- That's why I was thinking about Amy Poehler. Amy Poehler would be Rose.

Sharon Johnson: Okay.

Sailor Franklin: Oh, my God.

Sharon Johnson: Interesting.

Sailor Franklin: I was not. I did not prepare for this, but now I gotta. I gotta do some frantic Google searches.

Sergio Perez: Yeah. Like, this is. This is the Patreon. Like, okay, all the 90s TV Babies are back to talk about their fan cast of The Golden Girls. Because it will. I'm thinking about it now.

Sharon Johnson: I think that's. That sounds like a great idea.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right. Blanche. Angela Bassett.

Sergio Perez: Yeah,  

Sailor Franklin: No.

Sergio Perez: I'm there.  

Susan Lambert Hatem: No?

Sergio Perez: I just love Angela Bassett. I'd like to see her in anything. Let's get her out of 9-1-1.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Okay.

Sergio Perez: Let's poach her from 9-1-1.

Sharon Johnson: She's cashing a very big paycheck.

Susan Lambert Hatem: That's true. Yes.

Sharon Johnson: Leave her alone.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Okay, Sorry.

Sharon Johnson: What about Sandra Oh as Blanche?

Susan Lambert Hatem: Oh, I love that. She's fun.

Sergio Perez: I love her in Killing Eve.

Sharon Johnson: I mean, I'm not sure how old she is, but I'm thinking she might be--

Susan Lambert Hatem: Oh, Kevin likes that.

Sergio Perez: Yeah.

Susan Lambert Hatem: All right. Sandra Oh. All right, well, listeners, let us know who you think should be recast in The Golden Girls.

Sergio Perez: Or if it should happen at all.

Susan Lambert Hatem: It should happen at all. Rebooted. But even if it shouldn't happen, you can still cast the idea of a Golden Girls reboot.

Sergio Perez: A girl can dream.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Thank you guys so much. We are so happy to have you. I love seeing and hearing your-- Seeing your faces and hearing your voices and hearing all about what you're up to.

Sharon Johnson: Hearing your thoughts about whatever show we're talking about is always one of the highlights for me. It's always one of the, the best parts of what we're doing in terms of covering a show. And again, you guys did not disappoint. So thank you.

Sergio Perez: Thank you. RuPaul as Sophia. Oh, anyway,  

Sailor Franklin: I was thinking about RuPaul. I just could not--

Susan Lambert Hatem: Okay, yes.

Sergio Perez: I couldn't place RuPaul in the cast until I was like--  

Susan Lambert Hatem: Thank you, 90s TV Babies. It's so good to see you. It has been so fun. And we will have you back to talk about, when we, when we look at Kate and Allie. And we'll be looking at One Day at a Time. Yeah, very interesting shows. Thank you.

Sharon Johnson: Good to see you guys, as always.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Bye.

Sailor Franklin: Bye.

Sharon Johnson: In today's audio-ography, learn more about The Golden Girls on Facebook Facebook.com/GoldenGirls.

Susan Lambert Hatem: Now, if you have Hulu and you haven't seen it, I highly recommend you watch the 40th anniversary special that aired in 2025. And it is at hulu.com. The link will be in our description.

Sharon Johnson: It was such a fun look back at the show and I was thrilled to see that several of our former guests were part of it.

Susan Lambert Hatem: I know, it was like, it was like an 80s TV Ladies reunion up there on ABC.

Sharon Johnson: Exactly. And meanwhile, if you're so inclined, you can send Serita diaper money for little adorable baby Theo at Venmo. It's venmo.com/u/Seritafanta. And again, the link will be in our show notes.

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Susan Lambert Hatem: What else?

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